mahony of los angeles. there's a petition going around that people say he should not come, because of the allegations that he shielded priests from accountability. did you think that it was up to him to decide? do you think he should have taken part, or not? >> you know, it's hard to get inside a man's mind, a man's heart. we make mistakes. but i know father mahony and i think this is a good man who wanted to do the right thing and who felt at the time this was the right thing to do. turned out he was wrong and that's a shame. that's unfortunate. but this is a good man who really tried in so many areas to take care of people and we can all fall in some mistakes, every one of us, and when this happens, obviously it hurts the church. it hurts people and it hurts the man himself. these things are really so complex, christiane. they are so complex. you have to get into a man's heart, into a man's mind when these things are happening. and then there's always the possibility and the hope that you grow in your und